We talk this week with Martha Brown and Debbie Gowensmith about trauma-informed evaluation. It was a great chat, but, before we jump in, here’s a little background on our guests. Our first guest is Martha Brown, president and founder of RJAE Consulting. A well-known evaluator and trainer, Martha’s expertise is in the area of trauma-informed practices and restorative justice. She joins us alongside Debbie Gowensmith, vice-president of Groundswell Services, Inc., a consulting firm that specializes in strengthening equity-building movements. Debbie’s expertise is in community-based research and program evaluation, and she also has a background in program management, which she brings to bear on her evaluation work.

We found our guests after reading Debbie’s January 2021 AEA365 post on using Photovoice to support trauma-informed evaluation. Debbie introduced us to Martha, and the rest is history. As we mention in the introduction of the episode, we really only scratch the surface in this conversation and would probably benefit from another couple hours with Martha and Debbie! We consider ourselves newcomers to this work, so Debbie and Martha patiently covered some “Trauma 101” material with us before we moved on to discussing trauma-informed evaluation. We talk about different evaluation approaches and methodologies that are better suited for trauma-informed work, but really Martha and Debbie encourage evaluators to assume a trauma-informed lens irrespective of their methodology. Whether we’re doing Photovoice or field work or surveys, we should be mindful of the prior experiences of both research participants and our staff and be careful not to engage in practices that re-traumatize individuals or communities.

Debbie and Martha referenced and shared a few resources, which we found helpful and will therefore pass along to our loyal listeners:

• SAMHSA’s Concept of Trauma and Guidance for a Trauma-informed Approach (SAMHSA is Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, an operating division of the Department of Health and Human Services)
• SAMHSA’s National Registry of Evidence-based Programs and Practices (NREPP)
• CDC’s site on Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs)

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We really hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did!

FYI, if you’d like to reach out to and/or learn from Martha, you can find her at:

• For training/workshops in Trauma Informed (TI) Evaluation for your organization or conference, email [email protected]
• For information regarding how Hamai Consulting can support TI systems change and help organization become TI, email [email protected]

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